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Published January 04, 2009 @ 04:54PM PT
I'm boarding a plane for Bangkok in 5 minutes, but before doing so wanted to point to a conversation on three separate spaces about Obama's nomination of Arne Duncan as Secretary of Education.
Many people have expressed shock and disappointment - see Gary Stager's Huffington Post article for a forceful example. Then check out Dale McGowan's more interesting take on the similar outrage Obama set off over his tapping of Rick Warren to give the inaugural invocation.
What McGowan says there about why, on second thought, he's not quite ready to join the chorus of outrage at Obama - will somebody please shut that airport announcer up? - echoes my own response to Stager on Duncan here (short version: the buck stops with Obama, and though I don't trust Duncan much, I do still give Obama the benefit of the doubt for possibly having a method to what looks, on the surface, like cop-out madness).
Beyond all of that, though, and most importantly: What are your thoughts and, more interesting still, experiences with Duncan and Chicago Public Schools?
It's early days yet on this space - we've only been up for three days - but one of my hopes is that it can become a repository of first-hand accounts by readers of direct experiences unavailable in the mainstream press. Those accounts can have value, I'm convinced.
I'm boarding! See you on the other side - assuming we land there.
(And PS: A guest-blogger will be addressing special needs education this week to start elevating that topic.)
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As I mentioned in your main thread, my experience with the Chicago system was a long time ago but significant. It's a much more decentralized system than other large cities, with much, much more individual school differences and accountability. That strongly suggests that the Duncan appointment signals ... decentralization, accountability, and rewards for high levels of individual involvement by teachers, parents, kids and others in individual schools.
In fact, my experience with large school systems - New York, Boston, LA, as well as Chicago - suggests that they are NOT really managed, but, rather, "led," if at all, by inspiration and imagination. Their mechanisms for accountability are very, very weak - relying on attendance, teacher loyalty, and parental neutrality, as well as test scores, with those scores coming in a very low fourth, in spite of NCLB.
While I think the tests are abysmal - echoes of a punch card system redolent of Blackwater contracts with ETS clones - but the IDEA of testing is fine. And my sense is that there will be much, much better tests in the next three to five years, as soon as somebody grabs hold of and reviews those Bush-league contracts and contractors. Keep in mind that the states have their own favorite test vendors, and the system is in typical chaos, with different tests measuring different things at different times, always in change and, in spite of comparisons and pseudo research findings, loaded with incomparabilities. Also keep in mind that many of these large systems - including the statewide systems - are still very, very primitive with very little longitudinal data.
When we were in Chicago in the 70's we found 8 different report cards, with totally incomparable scores, all of which were hand written and none, at the time, computerized. That remained the case in Boston well into the 1990's, and it was only in 1997 that Massachusetts had a unified system of student ID numbers to track students from elementary to secondary to postsecondary. That means that there's virtually no real longitudinal data more than a decade old, so many, many of these debates about accountability are pure rhetoric.
Also keep in mind that the most important innovation of the Bush administration was NOT NCLB, which is really just a rhetorical mandate for testing, but IS a single working definition of graduation rate. Given how critical such a number is in comparing schools, districts, states, teachers, principals, and kids, it is particularly revealing that a batch of states have yet to agree with the Spelling definition as promoted by Bush.
It's also remarkable that there are such poor and incompatible definitions of attendance, for another example. It was - is - Chicago that came up with the "early indicators" of school failure, i.e., kids who miss more than 10 classes, are late more than 20 times, and/or have one or more negative comments by teachers have a very high probability of dropping out (see the Consortium on Chicago School Research for a much better detailing of these indicators, at http://ccsr.uchicago.edu/content/index.php). One might think this stuff could have been explored earlier, but it was the CEO system of the Chicago schools that engaged serious research in developing these obvious, but critically needed, indicators, and then developing diversion programs to catch those kids who could be caught before the dropout decision changed their lives.
All of this says nothing about the deeper psychological and pedagogical research of the folk at Stanford or TC, where Darling Hammond stuff grows so well. Yet it says volumes about how and where and what kind of information is critical to managing large systems, metropolitan or statewide or ... national systems, and that's the job of the next Secretary.
And I don't think we need rely on hope alone for some huge transformations in the next administration. In my local school system, for example, 15 to 20% of the teachers turnover every year, due to retirement and mobility. That means we are within five years of a 40% ratio of young teachers who are internet literate. And THAT means all kinds of things:
1) tests that look for more data than you can find with two clicks of a google;2) best practices documented in YouTubes and on kid run blogs and teacher chaired websites;3) curriculum that goes way, way beyond what texts pretend to teach;4) projects that integrate disciplines right up to and through college;5) partnerships with local colleges that engage kids as young as 3rd grade in stuff as serious as they can handle looking at things as different as local global warming or new transit and economic development options.
And lots more.
Posted by Joe Beckmann on 01/04/2009 @ 06:42PM PT
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Though I am not a teacher I have read a lot about education reformers and leaders lately. There has been a lot of talk lately about reformers such as Michelle Rhee and Joel Klein of DC and New York City school systems respectively. I read an article yesterday about Arne Duncan. He seems to hold a middle way between the Rhees and Kleins on one end and the teachers unions on the other.
I am very excited about his appointment. Duncan is not just interested in bulldogging everyone into doing what he wants. He embodies the true spirit of reform: both enough to try anything and smart enough to admit when something isn't working.
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122902672.html">Here is an article on Duncan and Chicago schools printed in the Washington Post last tuesday </a>
Posted by Derek Viger on 01/05/2009 @ 04:38AM PT
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One problem with Duncan, like the two Secretaries before him, is that he is not an educator. Do we want someone who has never set foot in a classroom (as a teacher) to lead our education system in the USA? Would we hire an accountant to be Surgeon General? Would we hire a firefighter to be Attorney General? No, Surgeon Generals are doctors, Attorney Generals are lawyers. The same goes for the rest of the cabinet positions. The people in places of influence in the country...the people who advise the president, should be knowledgeable in their field. The same goes for education. Hire an educator.
Posted by Stu Bloom on 01/05/2009 @ 05:48AM PT
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FWIW, i could not be more dissapointed by Duncan.
He does not believe in democracy, favors corporate reform model, and oversaw the biggest expansion of military schools in the country.
http://www.truthout.org/121708R
Posted by Philip Kovacs on 01/05/2009 @ 03:10PM PT
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@ Joe, thanks as usual for so much substance. I'm with you on the potential of testing to measure the learning in schools, and to bang the Darling-Hammond drum one more time, find this lecture: http://www.forumforeducation.org/foruminaction/index.php?page=31&item=461 pregnant with wisdom on what such tests _already_ look like - in other countries.
And I'm hopeful that Obama's selection of her to lead his transition means he got taught on those ideas.
Otherwise, man do we have a lot to talk about. I've been using blogging, wikis, podcasts, and the whole interwebs gang in my own classrooms for the last three years - almost never use textbooks - and know the difference in learning they afford.
@Derek, Stu, and Philip: I seem to be sort of fence-sitting between all of your positions. Duncan was under Daley in Chicago, but now will be under Obama. He also signed the "Broader, Bolder" initiative (while yes, cynics can add, also signed on for NCLB), which may or may not be an indication that he's more open to quality, "progressive" reform than he was allowed to show as "CEO" of Chicago. (And Philip, I read the Truthout article too - and many more, which you can find at http://www.diigo.com/user/cburell/duncan?tab=250 - so I hear you. I just hope, again, that Obama's role with Duncan is the same he claimed for Hillary at State: "They'll advise, but I'll decide.")
Finally, don't you think that Obama's selection of Darling-Hammond as transition leader signals _something_ interesting about his views on education?
Okay, my wife is signaling something herself right now: that I should be spending time with her in Bangkok, here on our first full day, than with you folks on the interwebs :)
Posted by Clay Burell on 01/05/2009 @ 09:41PM PT
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Clay, your links in Diingo are excellent, and I too looked at the Truthout article, which is trenchent and well researched. I also looked at the authors' other Truthout piece, however, at http://www.truthout.org/123108A. Unlike the EduTopia piece on Duncan, including an excellent and refreshing interview, in their New Year's piece on what might only be called educational ideology, the Giroux's mangle progressivism almost beyond recognition, and "frame" (ala Lakoff) their later argument against Duncan.
Let me be very frank. I really dislike writers who generate 90 word sentences. I dislike them, at least in part, because I can do that too, and it's what I like least about my own writing - and thinking. The Giroux's do it several times.
I also dislike resorting to "neoliberal," neo progressive, neo neanderthal rhetoric. There are enough labels already in the grocery story that we need not spread them like peanut butter in our shortcuts to smear.
With that out of the way, the Girouxs (I dropped out of French too soon to handle those plurals!) make some very good, very strong points against Duncan. They give us some "early indicators" to look for in the startup of a new administration, and it's good that Philip found the indictment - but indictment it really is, and diatribe is not the way to challenge a new administration.
Let us look at their case. "Zero tolerance" is ugly and inept management. It smacks of Gaza in city schools. It indicates an administration too frustrated to act rationally with kids who act out as ineptly as their adult neighbors. Yet I have seen the Chicago system and met with Chicago teachers and I'm uncomfortably conscious of how they work. It is profoundly disfunctional. Watching the Blago stuff is chillingly reminiscent of how bad things can get, and frequently do get in the "second city" (now third).
That said, it's too easy to hold too tight to any single indicator - like "zero tolerance" - to generalize about any administrator from that city. I've been in systems where they have to use lousey data - like test scores or attendance - to make painful decisions. That doesn't justify the data; it merely qualifies the decisions. What Chicago did - through the Consortium on Chicago School Research (http://ccsr.uchicago.edu/content/index.php) - was finally use data to make decisions, and then to pursue better data for better decisions. Until then, honestly, all school stuff was fluff. And for most systems, including New York for that matter, it's still fluff and ideology rather than looking at what really happens.
Before sliding into further rant and kant, it probably does make sense to explore the ramifications of teachers' unions. They are hardly monolithic. Many are remarkably reformist. Many engage parents and colleges and kids very positively in both management and curriculum, professionalism and promotion decisions. But some...don't. And the problems are profoundly uncomfortable.
One union I know, for example, demands a contract renegotiation before any teacher can enter a grade in a database, as well as a formal training in database design and management. That's crap. Another is ruthless in controlling overtime or extra activities, so much so its members hide their homework. That's also crap.
If Arne Duncan fought any of that, there will be problems, and sometimes some of those problems are sometimes worth having.
THAT is part of the middle way implied by Obama in the first place. Adhering to alliances framed in one universe, when fighting in others, is loyal to neither friends nor enemies. Too strict a formalism hurts all teachers, children, and parents, whether it's Montessorian or fascist.
Posted by Joe Beckmann on 01/06/2009 @ 08:43AM PT
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I'm a Chicago Public School teacher, and my children attend Chicago Public Schools.
There will be much testimony of what it is really going on here at the:
Community Meeting on
Turnarounds, Charters and Privatization SATURDAY
JANUARY 10, 2009
10AM TO 1PM
Malcolm X College
Also, you can get a first-hand perspective from this:
http://vimeo.com/1833826?pg=embed&sec=1833826
Also see this site I've helped create to emphasize a child-based progressive education rather than filling in bubbles.
http://bubbleover.net
Posted by Wade Tillett on 01/06/2009 @ 06:50PM PT
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